tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post8952250857462791503..comments2024-03-26T09:53:50.263-06:00Comments on Eight Years in Azeroth: 3.70. The Perfect Loot SystemShawn Holmeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05110605868875966328noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-2203789677119894672016-08-10T12:59:56.140-06:002016-08-10T12:59:56.140-06:00Man, I never thought about how hard it would be fo...Man, I never thought about how hard it would be for a GL to manage DKP for switch hitters. When I raided in classic, I always mained a hunter in our 40's and was resto shaman in our 20 man, so I never needed to switch roles like some other classes. I always figured the DKP system would take care of the problem naturally, especially since they still need to be geared for either role.<br /><br />Just to share a loot system story, as the hunter officer in my guild, I had a good relationship with the other 3 regular hunters, so we worked out among ourselves about what items we'd need to bid for and which we'd just go for 1 DKP. We had to save the DKP for the sweet sweet "hunter items" that rogues and ferals might also be gunning for. Had to keep competitive or the other Agi classes would edge in on our raid spots! :P<br /><br />Zanshin, Kil'JaedenZanshinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-17548794159077848122016-07-07T11:55:48.015-06:002016-07-07T11:55:48.015-06:00I think you are looking at loot council WAYYY to b...I think you are looking at loot council WAYYY to black and white. I never had a problem with loot council in my guilds, even in random guilds I was only with for one expansion, because you know what keeps the communism in check? Your guildies vote for you and your choices with their presence. They will start to notice when you are being biased, and they will quickly leave. You start abusing loot council, your raiders stop showing up, you lose good members, and your guild falls apart.<br /><br />In my opinion Loot Council is the best system, because unlike communism, its members are not forced to be a part of that nation... ahem... guild, and can easily find a new home with better GM's. <br /><br />And if you as a GM ARE being just with your loot decisions, and random low tier members leave, do you really care? Do you want selfish children who don't understand they don't come first? When I first joined a guild, I ALWAYS knew I was low man on the totem pole, but I would always eventually see my loot. And the better I performed, the more gear went my way to reward that. Works for both sides.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06875308856585098991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-75985591919533694302014-06-06T13:41:10.296-06:002014-06-06T13:41:10.296-06:00@Rob,
It's in a sad state; a shadow of its fo...@Rob,<br /><br />It's in a sad state; a shadow of its former self. It remains to be seen what life WoD may (if at all) breathe back into DoD, but I expect that a large handful of us will be back, at least initially.<br /><br />You can reach me at Hanzo#1150.Shawn Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05110605868875966328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-5555483743262784382014-06-05T23:57:59.074-06:002014-06-05T23:57:59.074-06:00I want to note that the Alt-25 had historically be...I want to note that the Alt-25 had historically been using the NBG since the Anni days. Ironically, trying to address the inequity of the system may have contributed to one of the factors that led to him giving it up.Moorawrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-34237498960724946612014-06-05T21:44:07.701-06:002014-06-05T21:44:07.701-06:00@Shawn Holmes
This is a rather random post to com...@Shawn Holmes<br /><br />This is a rather random post to comment this but seeing as its the most recent:<br /><br />Where does your guild stand these days? I'm coming back into WoW and I want to explore the Horde side of things, but I simply have no ideas as far as guilds or servers. Seeing as how I've been reading these since the start I figured I'd ask. Anyone is welcome to toss in any helpful comments as well lol.<br /><br />Bandinoriel#1948 if you want to catch me in-gameRobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-19808557979043943962014-06-05T17:28:08.089-06:002014-06-05T17:28:08.089-06:00It's rather pointless trying to design a syste...It's rather pointless trying to design a system with the next GM in mind, because of course the next GM can do whatever the heck he/she likes and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it.<br /><br />I held my guild to Loot Council. We had a core of regular raiders and a few who subbed in. Loot drops were discussed openly. We had the potential candidates link their existing gear, and we looked at their gear set as a whole.<br /><br />The needs of the raid were put above the wants of the individual. If we thought that the tanks's set bonus was more important than more melee DPS, that's where the gear went first. Everyone got their shinies in the end, but we as a group decided where the boosts were needed most, and that's where it went. The subs did get gear, but after the regulars were considered and the needs of the raid attended to.<br /><br />In the case where candidates for loot were on an even keel, well, that's what /roll was for. And once you'd won a /roll, you were done for the night unless candidates were even once again.<br /><br />As for 'loyal and trustworthy', well, the final decision on loot was always mine, and I always put the welfare of my guild and our raid group before my own or above any other individual in the guild/raid for that matter. Heck, I even once /gkicked my Raid Leader when he demonstrated extreme immaturity and disdain for the non raiding section of the guild. Guild first, Raid second, individual last.<br /><br />Eccentrica, Silver Hand(A)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-62589904976902126562014-06-05T16:14:25.335-06:002014-06-05T16:14:25.335-06:00@Balkoth,
Of course they do! Who wouldn't? Lo...@Balkoth,<br /><br />Of course they do! Who wouldn't? Loot council is the easiest to administer, so for players who care about playing / slaying dragons, and can't be bothered with complex systems that track contributions and player history, it's the ideal loot system...<br /><br />...and I hope you have loyal, trustworthy folks who will never, ever put themselves before the guild, long after you've farmed a boss for six months for that one drop and it finally arrives.Shawn Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05110605868875966328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-55059182221926267842014-06-05T15:50:36.224-06:002014-06-05T15:50:36.224-06:00The funny thing is that we're shifting to 25 m...The funny thing is that we're shifting to 25 man and then Mythic for WoD and thus I'm having to come up with a more formal loot system. I originally proposed, in the middle of raid during trash, that we were thinking about a DKP style system and everyone immediately shouted me down and said they didn't want DKP and wanted loot council instead.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-51970550236268711592014-06-05T12:51:58.571-06:002014-06-05T12:51:58.571-06:00At the midway point in ICC I joined a guild on my ...At the midway point in ICC I joined a guild on my Paladin as a main spec ret, and it was probably the happiest I've been raiding. Our loot system in our 25 man was I guess a modified round robin type. We would open /roll, first as main spec. For example, if myself and a DK wanted a str helm, we would both roll, and the highest roll would win, unless one of us had won an item in the previous lockout, then it went down the list until it got to someone that hadn't gotten anything. <br /><br />Offspec was also an open roll, but there were excerptions. There was at least one dps that would heal when needed, and myself and a DK were swing tanks. Eventually, it was just me being an extra tank. So if a tank piece dropped that neither of the tanks needed, it was my option to get it before it went offspec. <br /><br />I never really felt like I should have main spec rights to tank gear, because I was only tanking about once every two weeks, and a piece or two of gear wasn't going to make a huge difference in normal, plus I would tank one of our ten mans and get mainspec loot for that run, so I was usually less than a half tier behind main tanks. <br /><br />The thing to remember is, even if you have a 50/50 split on time spent, when you get a tier set token, there's a spec you pick when you turn it in, and that's your main spec. Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01190776057856826330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-8478422905389836402014-06-05T12:37:49.317-06:002014-06-05T12:37:49.317-06:00I've always been a fan of loot council, but I&...I've always been a fan of loot council, but I've never really cared much about gear or done heroic mode raiding or 25 mans, so different culture probably. How I usually do it is everyone who can use the item links what they have, and we discuss it as a team to decide what helps the team most. Usually if it's a big upgrade for someone everyone else passes. <br /><br />Then again, I might have simply never noticed loot drama from this style due to personally not caring about loot. For me, once I have enough gear to enter the content I feel like doing, I stop caring about gear entirely. My mentality is that more practice as a team against the boss is always better then loot, so the loot afterwards is just a nice perk that I may or may not get, secondary to the act of killing the boss. Sort of a "Journey over destination" type thing; I come for the challenge of downing the boss, not the shinnies you get for it. Incidentally, this means I get impatient with farm content very, very quickly.<br /><br />Journey over destination type thing in other words. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6556575758010903163.post-49264090621294048412014-06-05T11:22:56.157-06:002014-06-05T11:22:56.157-06:00Darn real world people, getting in the way of a pe...Darn real world people, getting in the way of a perfect system. XD<br /><br />Loot council is only as good as the leadership, you guys may have been good, but who's to say your successors would be too?<br /><br />Gotta plan for the next generation sadly. :(<br /><br />-Catelina, KT Alliance Holy PriestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com